"Charlie believed in meritocracy. Let the best man or woman win."
The first clips played were from the Thoughtcrime podcast, in which the group was discussing diversity, equity, and inclusion hiring for pilots in the airline industry. In the clip, Kirk was heard saying, "like I’m sorry, if I see a black pilot I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified." He later added, "that’s not who I am, that’s not what I believe."
The comments came in response to United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby committing to having 50 percent of those in pilot classes being women or people of color. He noted that 19 percent were from those groups at that time.
"Why is that a really dumb thing to do? First of all, meritocracy," said Charlie Kirk Show Executive Producer Andrew Kolvet. "Charlie believed in meritocracy. Let the best man or woman win." He noted that just nine percent of people who are working to become pilots are women or people of color. "So that means that you’re essentially trying to fill 50 percent of the spots from nine percent of the population."
"So Charlie was making the point that if you are going to pull 50 percent of your pilots from nine or 10 percent of the population of new pilots, then you’re going to have to do something that is not in favor of meritocracy. You’re going to have to lower your standards."
"So he said that if you impose this quota, then I am going to start asking questions. Boy I hope you’re qualified. And he said, I never did that before, and I don’t want to do it in the future."
Human Events Senior Editor Jack Posobiec, speaking on those spreading the clips of Kirk, said, "What they’re doing is they’re taking Charlie’s clip and they’re removing all the context of what’s going on and the situation that he’s commenting on. And that’s what you’ll see throughout every single one of these."
Kirk himself later clarified the comments during a campus event, saying, "A conversation that ensued about how every time affirmative action is employed, standards have to be lowered, there's not a single instance where that is does not occur. So then I said, I said, Boy, if I see a black pilot, I'm now going to wonder, Is that individual qualified? Were they selected because of their race? Comma, but that's not who I am. But this makes me think this way, and I stand completely by that statement."
The group then moved onto posts about Kirk’s stance on the Second Amendment, with Charlie Kirk Show producer Blake Neff saying, "So this is the one that went the most viral right after it happened, you would see headlines where people would post this, and it was Charlie saying, you know, that gun deaths were worth it to keep the Second Amendment. That’s what they would say. It was like, unfortunately worth it is the exact quote they would have."
"People would post those to like, dunk on Charlie and be like 'I bet he would change his mind now.' And this one really disgusts me quite a bit, actually, because it’s not so much a lie but what Charlie said. It’s attacking him for actually daring to discuss a public issue the correct and honest way," Neff continued.
At a speaking event, Kirk said, "You’re not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You can significantly reduce them by having more fathers in the home by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have an honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one. You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won’t have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It’s drivel. But I think it’s worth it. I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other god given rights."
Kirk used the example of driving, which results in the deaths of 50,000 people every year. Neff, quoting Kirk, said, "we have decided that the benefit of driving—speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services—is worth that cost."
"And it just disgusts me so much that people are dunking on Charlie over this when he's doing what any reasonable leader, a figure showing leadership, should do, which is evaluating the honest costs and benefits of a policy. There are so many scammer politicians and public figures who will only, will say there's only benefits or only downsides to a policy, they'll say, oh, it's all upside, and people are opposed to this just because their haters are corrupt. Charlie would actually come out and say, the Second Amendment has downsides. We have more guns. There is more gun violence in America than there is in the UK. There's more gun violence here than there is in China. But we have it for other reasons. We have it because we are free citizens, and that helps us remain free citizens," Neff said.
Posobiec later added, "I would even go so far as to say that even in the sense that Charlie could comment on this, he still wouldn’t be for gun bans."
The group noted another post made to social media in which Kirk was accused of calling an Asian woman a "ch*nk." Kolvet said, "He didn’t say it. Didn’t say it, okay." The clip came from a prior Politicon event in which Kirk appeared and was debating Hasan Piker on stage. "And then Cenk started, from the Young Turks, started chirping at him from the audience, who is Hasan’s boss." Kirk started addressing Cenk in the audience, mispronouncing his name.
The group also addressed the quote from Kirk regarding empathy that made the rounds on social media, in which Kirk said in the lead-up to playing a clip, "I can't stand the word empathy. Actually, I think empathy is a made-up New Age term that does a lot of damage, but it is very effective when it comes to politics, sympathy, I prefer more than empathy. That's a separate topic for a different time."
Neff said, "So first of all, a few important things. One, this is clearly a like side remark he is making before throwing to a video. This is not a speech he's giving to the entire world … it's just Charlie fixating on the exact words that you use, which he often could do. It’s like when he would complain republic not a democracy."
Diving into the meaning of each word, Neff added that sympathy is "much more in line with the traditional Christian virtue of charity. You want to feel charity towards others … And that's what Charlie would prefer. Whereas when the reason he says it's kind of a new age psyop is they use that empathy thing for okay, you have to feel the pain I feel, which means you have to basically do what I tell you to do. It's a sort of morally coercive thing, in a way, sympathy is not."
The group also touched on Kirk’s comments that wives should submit to their husbands, with Kolvet saying, "It’s like people don’t understand that as a Christian, we believe the Bible is infallible," with Neff saying, "This is the simple thing: It’s like, Charlie is a Bible believing Christian and the Bible says a lot of things about marriage."
They played a clip of Kirk talking about Taylor Swift’s engagement to football player Travis Kelce, in which Kirk said, "This is something that I hope will make Taylor Swift more conservative, engage in reality more and get outside of the abstract clouds. Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor, you’re not in charge. And most importantly, I can’t wait to go to a Taylor Kelce concert. I can’t say it without laughing. You got to change your name. If not then you don’t really mean it."
"Charlie was also very clear about what that meant. Like that, you know, husbands are supposed to lay down their lives for their wives, as Christ laid down himself for the church. That's the comparison that pops up in the New Testament. It's that the relationship between Christ and the church is like a husband and a wife, that is like the ideal they are setting," said Neff.
Kolvet added, "This one has very few teeth, in my opinion, because people have got gotten to see Erika Kirk and the strength that she has."
The group played a clip of Kirk’s wife, Erika, speaking at Kirk’s memorial, in which she called on men to "accept Charlie's challenge and embrace true manhood." She later added, “You wife is not your servant, your wife is not your employee, your wife is not your slave, she is your helper. You are not rivals. You are one flesh, working together for the glory of God."
Kolvet called Erika Kirk the "living embodiment" that debunks those criticisms of Kirk’s views on marriage and the roles of husbands and wives.
Posobiec later noted that the country was founded on Christian beliefs, and that the founders warned that the "flip side of that being that if you walk away from Christianity, none of this stuff is going to work," referring to the core workings of the United States.
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