A woman brought her 6-year-old daughter to WiSpa in Los Angeles more than a year ago only to have her child exposed to a naked, biological male in the women's-only hot tub. She recounted that experience in a YouTube video and now in an interview with The Post Millennial, though she has asked that her identity be kept anonymous.
She spoke out after video emerged from WiSpa a week ago, wherein a different woman who attended the Korean day spa found that there was a naked, biological male in the women's area.
The Post Millennial asked about her and her daughter's experience at WiSpa. It was in January 2020, and while what happened to her and her daughter had been obscured by the pandemic year, it all came rushing back when she saw the viral video of the woman who was horrified to find a naked, biological male person in the women's area of the spa.
"It all happened to me, so I had a relapse of these feelings after having forgotten them," she told The Post Millennial. "I knew it was a family spa, and I'd decided to take my daughter. It's kind of trendy, it's a 24-hour spa, 90 plus percent Korean, and then a small percentage of people who aren't Korean. It's kind of cool to participate in other cultural experiences."
But when the biological male came in, along with two women, she said "I just felt shamed, and ashamed and embarrassed." The biological male sat right down on the edge of the hot tub, and along with two companions.
"I didn't see that coming," she said, "and the other women in there were visibly uncomfortable as well, especially the older Korean women. She said that she didn't let her daughter see the male genitals, and blocked her view.
"Me and all the women kind of eyed each other," and wordlessly they prevented the little girl from seeing what was going on. But the biological male saw all of the women nude, including the 6-year-old girl, and the older women. "The older Korean ladies were whispering to each other, holding their towels over themselves, as all the women started whispering to each other." No one really knew what to do.
"I don't like using the whole race thing," the woman said, "but it was three white, privileged, progressive people." She said that the three of them gave off an air of cultural imperialism.
She took her daughter home, and said that "I didn't tell my husband for an entire day," but he knew something was wrong. "I had to tell him." He was horrified as well, and she called the police to report it.
Despite her having done nothing wrong, she was the one who felt ashamed and embarrassed by the incident. She said that it created feelings similar to having been "sexually abused or assaulted and you don't want to tell anyone what happened." These are "not equivalent things," she made sure to say, saying that in no way was she equating the two, but that it elicited similar feelings.
"This past week," she said, she "started going through all the same feelings."
When she spoke to the police after the incident in January 2020, she said she called an officer who suggested that the encounter could be considered indecent exposure. She went to a police station in Korea town, near the spa, to find out what she could do. Officers there told her that WiSpa was "a private business," that "they can do what they want." But the second officer she spoke to, she said "blamed me for having taken her daughter to the spa." The woman said it felt like victim-blaming.
She said she had no reason to believe that the women's hot tub area at WiSpa wasn't a women's only area. "There's a men's area, and a women's section, and a co-ed section where everyone is closed," she said. "Korean culture has nude spas, and she wanted to share cultural experiences. I had no reason to think there'd be anyone with a penis in there."
As for WiSpa's reaction, she said the spa staff felt bad about it. "I don't blame the spa, they were very apologetic." They gave them free passes, and told her that the biological male, who she said also had "a five o'clock shadow," told the spa they were "a pre-op trans person."
The law in Los Angeles is that no business can discriminate based on gender identity. Not allowing a biological male to be naked around women and girls could be considered discrimination, even if those women and girls have the expectation of single-sex privacy.
She has concerns not only about the spa, which she has not and will not go back to, but for the kind of ideology that is about pushing kids' boundaries and making them second-guess their own feelings of bodily autonomy and privacy. Specifically, she said, these ideas have made their way into California public schools.
"I can tell you that the public schools use similar things to sneak in gender ideology," she told The Post Millennial. "Back in the day you could opt out of sex ed," she said, but since then "genderbread lessons have come into sex ed in the Los Angeles Unified School District," and also into lessons you can't opt out of, like anti-harassment and anti-bullying.
"All of this stuff is taught under bullying and harassment," she said, "not sex ed. Because you can't opt out. This is so sneaky. The things they are teaching, there used to be a gay-straight alliance, but now it's a gender and sexuality alliance. It's in junior highs and high schools," she said.
When she heard about the protest, she talked to her husband about it, and said "I kind of feel like I need to go."
She made a sign, and took the train to LA, the city where she was born and raised but which her family left during the lockdown. But when she got to the protest, "there were already mobs on all four corners, and I ditched my sign."
"I started walking around as if I were a tourist," she said. "There was a police barricade around some people who were all bloody in the face, and there was a lot of commotion, and yelling." She said that there were people yelling "f*ck the police, and there were a lot of religious people there, and unfortunately they are kind of anti-gay."
There was one occurrence, she said where "Antifa people were yelling the most offensive anti-religious things they could think of. It obviously wasn't safe to say anything or hold up a sign."
When she later watched videos of the protests, she said they'd been "heavily edited." Many of the protestors were there because they wanted to protect kids, their protest had nothing to do with trans people, but with keeping kids safe from being exposed to either the eyes or bodies of grown naked biological males. "There was a Hispanic couple saying this isn't about trans, it's about kids, and that was all edited out," she said.
"People holding a rainbow flag got kicked out and attacked," she said, "you don't see any video of them speaking. Even when I went and saw it covered by FOX and ABC news and all of that, no one spoke to anyone on the other side, and a lot of those stations explained it as though it was a trans rights issue, they didn't mention anything about children. Even the big news networks didn't portray it accurately."
"I got really upset," she told The Post Millennial, "because I didn't do anything, I didn't get to talk to people, or hold up my sign, they just squashed out anybody who wanted to get their view heard or seen. They just kicked everyone out. That's why I made my video, because that's not fair, that's not the issue, and it's not being portrayed accurately."
The woman who filmed a video at WiSpa last weekend was horrified to have a naked biological male in the women's area, and the video she made resulted in a protest at WiSpa over the weekend. That protest turned violent when Antifa militants arrived on the scene to condemn everyone who protested to there being biological males in the women's area as transphobic.