Joe Rogan educates dopey anti-Trump comedian Jim Gaffigan on intel agencies, deep state and Jan 6

During the discussion, Gaffigan asked Rogan if he really thinks that Ray Epps, the man who is accused by many of being an undercover agent. Rogan responded, "I think every other person who was involved in January 6, who was involved in coordinating a breaking into the Capitol and in instigating people breaking, they were all arrested. This guy wasn't."

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"Not only that, they were defending him in the New York Times The Washington Post," he added. "Saying that Fox News is unjustly accused him of instigating. Well, he clearly instigated, he did on camera. I don't know if he was fed. I know a lot of people think he was fed. The people that were there were calling him a fed."

Rogan went on to explain that reports show there were "hundreds of agents that were there that were... doing that." He noted, "I don't know if that's true either. But I do know that they do use agent provocateurs to disrupt peaceful protests. It's a common tactic."

He pointed to a World Trade Organization protest in Seattle, Washington, in 1999. Rogan said the protest was peaceful but a problem, so organizations allegedly sent in provocateurs to smash buildings and light fires.

Since it was no longer considered a peaceful protest, "Now they could bring in the police. Now they can start arresting people and then they created a no-protest zone," he said. "There was a no protest zone so they silenced protest, which is a part of our freedom of speech. So this is a tactic that some government agencies use to stop it."

Gaffigan attempts to claim that there is "more conspiracy stuff against Trump," and that it doesn't make sense that the FBI and CIA would try to provoke Trump loyalists into the capital. Rogan shut that down by saying he thinks it's a standard tactic, "especially when someone is the enemy of the intelligence agencies."

"With Trump, that's absolutely the case," he said. "Trump set himself up against the intelligence agencies. He did it openly and he did it brazenly. And a lot of people think it's very dangerous like the intelligence agencies are very important."

After Gaffigan noted John F. Kennedy's issues with the agencies, Rogan said, "I mean, look, it's unchecked power, right? That's the deep state, it's unchecked power. And I think Trump was very open about his disdain for the intelligence agencies." He added, "It's standard for intelligence agencies in this country to encourage agent provocateurs or to employ agent provocateurs."

On Thursday, former President Donald Trump's attorneys met with Special Counsel Jack Smith in regard to possible charges against the 2024 GOP candidate in regards to possible charges stemming from the January 6, 2021, riots at the US Capital. Trump received a letter from Smith earlier this month stating that he is a "target of the January 6th grand jury investigation."