WATCH: Peterson, Poilievre tee off on 'egomaniac' Trudeau in new interview

"I think everything he does comes back to his egomania," said Poilievre.

Roberto Wakerell-Cruz Montreal QC

Dr. Jordan Peterson hosted Conservative Party leadership frontrunner Pierre Poilievre on his podcast, where the two discussed a variety of issues concerning Canada, media, social issues, the economy, and the country's current leadership.

Peterson asked Poilievre, "What do you think of Mr. Trudeau?" to which Poilievre said, "Well, I think he's an egomaniac."

"I think everything he does comes back to his egomania. Even with his political ideology, you really think that his expansionistic role of the state, it never comes back to serving an individual objective other than to make him more powerful, or his legacy more grand," Poilievre said.

Poilievre then gives a few examples:

First, "he slashed the amount you can put into a tax-free savings account. Then he simultaneously increased the amount you were forced to pay into the state's savings plan."

Second, "He killed multiple pipelines, then he invested state money in a pipeline."

Third, "He attacked parents' ability to take care of their own children by removing tax fairness for families with stay-at-home parents, and then he brings in a government program to replace it," Poilievre said.

Poilievre theorizes that while all of those may sound "utterly inconsistent positions," that they are actually all consistent with the Trudeau government being put in the centre of peoples' lives.

"So, what you're seeing there, you say 'this sounds like utterly inconsistent positions', no they're not, they're all very consistent. In all cases what he does is he takes away the ability for businesses or individuals or families to do things for themselves and requires that they do things through him and through the state.

"His ideology is always about creating a pretext to justify the state garnering more control. Over every aspect of your life, how you raise your kids, how your business functions, and what you see and say on the internet, he believes the state has to be everywhere always. That's because as King Louis would say, 'L'etat c'est moi.' The state is him.'

Peterson pushed back against some of what Poilievre said, saying that he believed it could be dangerous to attack a man rather than his ideas, but conceded that Poilievre is making a case that "that can't be done because there's a personality trait that is uniting diverse policy decisions that isn't ideational or ideological, even, it is in fact personal."

Peterson said that Trudeau's decision to run for prime minister upset him because he doesn't "know anything."

Peterson spoke as if he was speaking directly to Trudeau, saying, "You're attractive and you can behave well in public, and you have a charming facade. But you don't know anything in any real sense, and there's no indication that you do. You're not particularly well educated, and you're not particularly accomplished..."

"But worse than that, the only reason you have the vaguest possibility of succeeding is that you have the same last name as your father."

He continues: "And then he ran, and I thought, how do you justify that to yourself? Because the gap of knowledge must have been painfully evident to him, and the fact that the Trudeau name, you could say 'well, the Liberal Party came to me and there wasn't another person that could win, and better a Trudeau Liberal even if it's a consequence of family name than any damn conservative,' let's say, but I still saw it as a manifestation of really profound narcissism. I think a reasonable person would have said, 'I'm not prepared for this, certainly not yet. And I'm not the many that need to be in this position.'"

Poilievre said there was truth in what Peterson was said, saying that Trudeau was the "least-vetted prime ministerial candidate in our history."

"The media just glossed over so much of his life to go straight to help him and protect him. It's almost like they built a protective cocoon around him."

Poilievre said that Trudeau had dressed up in grotesque, racist costumes "so many times" that he "can't remember them all."

"If the average politician had done that once, he would have been exposed and he would have been expelled from politics altogether," said Poilievre.

In a recent interview, Peterson said that he believed Trudeau to be a liar, saying: "I don't believe that he ever says a word that's true from what I've been able to observe, it's all stage acting. He's crafted a persona, he has a particular instrumental goal in mind and everything is subordinated to serve that.

"The same motivation that is generally typical of people who are narcissistic, which is to be credited with moral virtue in the absence of the work necessary to actually attain it," he said.


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