WATCH: Yale lecturer who talked about killing white people defends her lecture, calls critics 'defensive'

"To what extent can we say that individual white people are psychopathic, or unhealthy, or out of their minds?" Marc Lamont Hill asked Dr. Aruna Khilanani with a straight face.

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Dr. Aruna Khilanani, who was recently heard giving a lecture to Yale medical students about how she had fantasies about killing white people and then wiping the blood off her hands, appeared on Marc Lamont Hill's show to discuss what she feels are very reasonable views.

"What you're talking about, at this point, is a kind of macro-level systemic structural kind of thing," Hill said to a nodding Khilanani, "but you're also trained to think about the psyche, which is about the individual at a certain level—"

"Absolutely," she replied.

"To what extent can we say that individual white people are psychopathic, or unhealthy, or out of their minds—I'm using this language, for those who are watching, I'm using this language based on what was in the speech and other work that's been published, this isn't necessarily my personal opinion, it's the analysis here—do you think, to what extent can we say that individual white people are this thing, versus saying that there is a culture of theft, a culture of colonialism, and is there a useful distinction to be made between the two?" Hill asked Khilanani with a straight face.

"I think that, I think people, I think people—there is a useful distinction to be made, and on one level that's absolutely true, and y'know it's different than actual individual psychopathy the way that people conceive of it," Khilanani said.

"On another level," she continued, "when we are thinking about individual responsibility and how it is that people change, I think that using the words 'systemic' and 'there's a culture' operate defensively, to not actually let yourself go into your own unconscious and go into those dark places of what you're actually doing," Khilanani explained.

"So I'm actually talking about it as sort of as a defensive structure, like: not acknowledging that on an individual level I think can operate as a defense," she said.

Excerpts lecture to Yale students, called "The psychopathic problem of the white mind," included talking points about how the cost of talking to white people is "The cost of your own life, as they suck you dry. There are no good apples out there. White people make my blood boil," Khilanani said.

She told students: "I had fantasies of unloading a revolver into the head of any white person that got in my way, burying their body, and wiping my bloody hands as I walked away relatively guiltless with a bounce in my step. Like I did the world a f*cking favor."

"White people are out of their minds and they have been for a long time."

Khilanani spoke to the recent issue that white people don't like being derided and insulted on the basis of their race, calling it a "psychological predicament, because white people feel that we are bullying them when we bring up race. They feel that we should be thanking them for all that they have done for us."

"They are confused, and so are we. We keep forgetting that directly talking about race is a waste of our breath. We are asking a demented, violent predator who thinks that they are a saint or a superhero, to accept responsibility. It ain't gonna happen. They have five holes in their brain. It's like banging your head against a brick wall. It's just like sort of not a good idea," Khilanani said.

"We need to remember that directly talking about race to white people is useless, because they are at the wrong level of conversation. Addressing racism assumes that white people can see and process what we are talking about. They can't. That's why they sound demented. They don't even know they have a mask on. White people think it's their actual face. We need to get to know the mask," Khilanani told students.


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