Charlie Kirk spoke to Dr. Peter McCullough about the state of Covid, and the problems that come when early treatment is essentially discouraged in favor of pressing for further vaccination.
McCullough, whose podcast episode with Joe Rogan was one of the most downloaded episodes of all time, is a practicing physician who treats Covid patients, and speaks about what he's learned from that practice.
McCullough detailed treatment methods, such as an iodine nasal wash, which he said "kills the virus on contact." This method, he said, "cleans up the sinuses" and "works for other colds and sinus infections." Monoclonal antibody treatments, too, are something that McCullough thinks should be more widely available. They were approved by the FDA for treatment of Covid, but are heavily rationed by the Biden administration.
Some have alleged that the treatments have been given to states based on partisan political tactics, and not on need. Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis has slammed the administration for giving his state less than others, despite their need. Florida's attorney general has also taken aim at the administration for not allowing the state to acquire what they need to treat their citizens.
Kirk asked McCullough why the precedent for treatment is still to wait until symptoms are bad enough for hospitalization instead of treating the illness when symptoms are mild, at the beginning of the illness.
McCullough said that something of an "academic game" was being played. He referenced Senate testimony he gave November 19, 2020, in which he proposed early treatments to prevent the worst symptoms of Covid. In response, he said, he was told that the evidence wasn't "good enough." Instead of looking at his data, critics said that more and bigger studies were needed. "And so it's a game that we play," he said, "and sure we'd always love more evidence."
But there should have been a provision, McCullough believes, to have gotten the early treatment options out there, and not have to wait for endless studies when there was a "mass casualty event." And McCullough brings receipts. He has been out there caring for people, working on treatments, trying to heal patients, and not simply demanding that people take a vaccine. Vaccines, he said, are not a treatment, but a potential preventative.
"The bottom line," McCullough said, "is the early treatment movement left, I mean the ship has sailed, and Americans have received early treatment and it's sad that there's our patients hospitalized today who died today with without early treatment."
"We were scheduled to have 2.1 million Americans die with COVID-19 is rounded off at about 800,000. Then what we learned in 800,000 is that about 90 percent of them died really driven by other comorbidities in a large extent. And so it was only 10 percent of that that really died when COVID-19 was the lead and the primary cause of death. So we're really down to about 60,000 Does with COVID-19. And we still think those could have been prevented with early treatment and certainly the comorbid, but it's far less than 2.1 million. I think the early treatment made a huge impact," McCullough said.
As regards the vaccines that were developed for Covid under President Donald Trump's Operation Warp Speed, Kirk and McCullough discussed concerns over adverse vaccine side effects. These side effects are specifically concerning for the pediatric population, who are essentially being forced to get vaccinated in many major American cities.
A major concern for Kirk and McCullough as regards the vaccines are repeated use of them. "We're not talking about a one time shot," McCullough said. "We're talking about frequencies down today, it hit the wires, that boosters may last only 10 weeks. So we're looking at very, very tight frequencies of repeated genetic injections, which code for the production of the spike protein... suggesting that the spike protein probably less than the human body for over a year per injection. So now if we started injecting every three months or six months there will be a progressive accumulation of this disease causing protein in critical organs like the brain, the heart, bone marrow, and elsewhere."
The inventor of the mRna vaccines, Dr. Robert Malone, was actually suspended from Twitter after explaining the harms he saw prevalent in the Pfizer vaccine and the issues with the clinical trials for that vaccine. Malone will be appearing on Joe Rogan's podcast to discuss his ideas and findings, and likely the resulting Twitter suspension.
As vaccine mandates continue being pressed across the US population, there have been concerns that the forced vaccination is a violation of the Nuremberg Code. McCullough said that the Nuremberg Code, which came out of war crimes trials after World War II, "has to do with errors of omission."
"All the vaccines are research. They're all an investigation. It says right in the consent form that you're participating in research," McCullough said. "It says that a doctor or any other entity, may or may never apply any pressure, coercion or threat of reprisal to have anybody be involved in research," he said of the Code.
"So that means no good doctor could ever tell a patient that they should take a Covid-19 vaccine. They can weigh out the risks and benefits, but it's the patient's own free choice. That means no employer could ever tell a patient that they have to take the vaccine, that means no President of the United States, through press briefing, or through a CMS mandate or elsewhere, could ever do that.
"All of these entities have violated the Nuremberg Code. Now you could say well, how can we ever put somebody on trial for the Nuremberg Code? And actually, these would be trialed in international court, or crimes against humanity. In fact, those those charges have been filed in multiple places now. But you asked the question about errors of omission about doctors actually not treating COVID patients. And that one's goes down to standard civil law. And we do have laws related to medical malpractice. And the two most common reasons for medical malpractice is failure to diagnose and failure to treat," McCullough said.
Conversations like these are routinely shut-down by social media and maligned by corporate media. The push to get vaccinated has been so hard and quick that any dissent from that view has been nearly obliterated. Yet McCullough is a clear example of why these ideas for early treatment, for more consideration of giving the vaccine to those at high-risk versus the entire population, are not fringe ideas in practice, but only in perception.