Vance said the Ten Commandments are "an important cultural element of the Western civilization."
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Vice President JD Vance appeared on Joe Rogan's podcast on Wednesday where the two discussed a number of topics, including whether or not the Ten Commandments should be in Texas' public schools. The pair touched on foreign policy, the rise in socialism in America, and AI.
In Texas, a law was recently passed to require that every public school classroom has a framed copy of the Ten Commandments, something that Rogan opposed and Vance supported.
Rogan brought up how Democrat candidate for the US Senate seat in Texas James Talarico opposed the measure despite previously being a seminary teacher. Talarico has also called God "non-binary."
“One of the things that I think he has a really good point about, even though I know you’re Catholic and you’re very religious, putting the Ten Commandments in schools, I don’t think is the right way to do,” Rogan then said that Talarico “is very Christian.”
Vance, however, disagreed with Talarico's opposition on having the Ten Commandments in schools.
"I don’t think putting the Ten Commandments up in school is like forcing things on anybody," Vance said in response.
"But it’s public schools. So I mean, if you’re going to do that, why not put Buddhist scripture? Why not put, you know, you Muslim’s stuff? You could make an argument why you should have a bunch of different religious tenants in schools," Rogan argued. None of the founders of the United States were Muslim or Buddhist.
Vance said that in the Supreme Court there are religious documents, including Moses coming down Mount Sinai with the tablets of the Ten Commandments.
"Our founders were people who were very much influenced even if they weren’t Christians, a lot of them of course were, but were very influenced by Christian culture and articulating American law.
"So my argument would be even if you’re not a Christian, like, does seeing the Ten Commandments, let me put it a slightly different way," Vance added. "Does seeing the Ten Commandments force religion on a non-Christian child? I mean, my argument would be no. And I’d illustrate this by saying, well, there are all of these ways in which you actually could try to force religion on a child, right?"
Rogan said that it was not the "worst way" to force religion on a child, and that wealty Christians are attempting to "defund public schools" and push kids to Christian or private schools. He added that regarding the law on the Ten Commandments, Talarico is "fundamentally opposed to that as a Christian because he thinks it’s going to force people to have this in their class and it’s gonna push people away from Christianity."
Vance later added that the Ten Commandments are "an important cultural element of the Western civilization, which" woud be akin to the cultural "foundation of the classroom" that the child would be sitting in. They said that they would agree to disagree on the subject.
During their conversation, Vance and Rogan also touched on the rise of socialism in the United States and how the economic system has grown more in popularity with young people.
Rogan said, "When you're hearing like Mamdani talk about freezing rents and taking bad landlords and then confiscating their property, like, do you— this is step one of what's happened in every communist dictatorship throughout history. This is what happened North Korea."
"The whole argument of communism is that you seize the means of production, but because the means of production, the most powerful means of production is the human mind, you ultimately have to get into totalitarianism. You have to have control of that most fundamental element of the human person," Vance added in response.
While still talking about the younger population in the US, AI was a subject of discussion, as many younger people are fearful of what AI do to the job market in the future and how they will manage to be employed.
"They're also terrified about the future because of AI because they feel like jobs are going to be taken away and there will be no place for people that have education in very specific avenues," Rogan said.
Vance compared the advent of AI to the industrial revolution, said that he does not have all the answers, but that the country has to "ensure that there's some broader prosperity from that wealth creation" because there are fears that a larger disparity in wealth can "lead to communism."
In Texas, a law was recently passed to require that every public school classroom has a framed copy of the Ten Commandments, something that Rogan opposed and Vance supported.
Rogan brought up how Democrat candidate for the US Senate seat in Texas James Talarico opposed the measure despite previously being a seminary teacher. Talarico has also called God "non-binary."
“One of the things that I think he has a really good point about, even though I know you’re Catholic and you’re very religious, putting the Ten Commandments in schools, I don’t think is the right way to do,” Rogan then said that Talarico “is very Christian.”
Vance, however, disagreed with Talarico's opposition on having the Ten Commandments in schools.
"I don’t think putting the Ten Commandments up in school is like forcing things on anybody," Vance said in response.
"But it’s public schools. So I mean, if you’re going to do that, why not put Buddhist scripture? Why not put, you know, you Muslim’s stuff? You could make an argument why you should have a bunch of different religious tenants in schools," Rogan argued. None of the founders of the United States were Muslim or Buddhist.
Vance said that in the Supreme Court there are religious documents, including Moses coming down Mount Sinai with the tablets of the Ten Commandments.
"Our founders were people who were very much influenced even if they weren’t Christians, a lot of them of course were, but were very influenced by Christian culture and articulating American law.
"So my argument would be even if you’re not a Christian, like, does seeing the Ten Commandments, let me put it a slightly different way," Vance added. "Does seeing the Ten Commandments force religion on a non-Christian child? I mean, my argument would be no. And I’d illustrate this by saying, well, there are all of these ways in which you actually could try to force religion on a child, right?"
Rogan said that it was not the "worst way" to force religion on a child, and that wealty Christians are attempting to "defund public schools" and push kids to Christian or private schools. He added that regarding the law on the Ten Commandments, Talarico is "fundamentally opposed to that as a Christian because he thinks it’s going to force people to have this in their class and it’s gonna push people away from Christianity."
Vance later added that the Ten Commandments are "an important cultural element of the Western civilization, which" woud be akin to the cultural "foundation of the classroom" that the child would be sitting in. They said that they would agree to disagree on the subject.
During their conversation, Vance and Rogan also touched on the rise of socialism in the United States and how the economic system has grown more in popularity with young people.
Rogan said, "When you're hearing like Mamdani talk about freezing rents and taking bad landlords and then confiscating their property, like, do you— this is step one of what's happened in every communist dictatorship throughout history. This is what happened North Korea."
"The whole argument of communism is that you seize the means of production, but because the means of production, the most powerful means of production is the human mind, you ultimately have to get into totalitarianism. You have to have control of that most fundamental element of the human person," Vance added in response.
While still talking about the younger population in the US, AI was a subject of discussion, as many younger people are fearful of what AI do to the job market in the future and how they will manage to be employed.
"They're also terrified about the future because of AI because they feel like jobs are going to be taken away and there will be no place for people that have education in very specific avenues," Rogan said.
Vance compared the advent of AI to the industrial revolution, said that he does not have all the answers, but that the country has to "ensure that there's some broader prosperity from that wealth creation" because there are fears that a larger disparity in wealth can "lead to communism."
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