WATCH: Glenn Greenwald tells Tucker Carlson why he moved from YouTube to Rumble and isn't looking back

Carlson said of Rumble, "... free speech is the whole point. They don't have censorship. You can say what you want, like you lived in America."


Tucker Carlson interviewed author and journalist Glenn Greenwald Thursday night on Fox News about a migration of journalists away from YouTube and over to Rumble.

Carlson said of Rumble, "... free speech is the whole point. They don't have censorship. You can say what you want, like you lived in America."

"So naturally, the totalitarians are infuriated by this idea. It's a challenge to their hegemony. YouTube's Susan Wojcicki from the marketing department has pulled down at least one video promoting Rumble. Jeff Bezos, his newspaper (The Washington Post) attacked it today. That means, The New York Times will soon be on it along with The Atlantic and The Daily Beast and all the rest of the Praetorian Guard."

"Your job: ignore it. You know they are liars. They are frantically defending a system that no one believes in anymore. If there's going to be a renaissance in journalism, and we desperately need one, it will be led not by them, but by people like Glenn Greenwald."

"I'm not going to ask you any questions," Carlson said to Greenwald, "everyone watching this understands no matter who you voted for, no matter what you believe, we have to have a free press in a democracy period. We no longer do. You are doing something about this and I'm just going to stand back and let you describe what that is."

And Greenwald did. "I do want to say though, what you said was absolutely right. That we've heard this story over and over, but I do think we just need to take note that it's getting more and more extreme."

Greenwald then described the ramifications of YouTube's decision to ban Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) from the platform. "In addition to being a medical doctor, Rand Paul is also the elected representative of the people of Kentucky, who twice sent him for Senate to speak for them. In our most important debates and you have these unelected tech oligarchs being pressured by the Democratic party to silence the people who were elected by the citizens of this country to speak on their behalf."

He continued, "And it gets worse and worse and worse, the censorship grows and grows and grows. So I of the things, obviously in the last nine months being on Substack, which is a platform designed to allow journalists the freedom to write, Rumble is in a sense, the kind of video version of that."

Greenwald added, "I looked at what YouTube was doing. YouTube has gotten insane. Remember YouTube is owned by Google, which is a huge video platform that now exercises immense power over our political discourse and is increasingly refusing to allow any descent, not just crazy descent, but even informed descent to official decrees So the only thing that can be heard are official decrees."

"Rumble, a site that I didn't know much about, was actually founded by a Canadian liberal in 2013, it's not a Maga site. It wasn't founded by a right wing ideologue. It was founded by somebody who started a website and he said, 'you know what? I don't think I'm actually qualified to make judgements about complex scientific judgements in the middle of the pandemic or even questions like whether there was fraud in an election, I'm an entrepreneur. I started a technology company. Why should I have the responsibility to dictate to everybody else what they can and can't say. As though I'm vested with some special competence that as you pointed out, that YouTube person convinced herself somehow she actually wields,' presumably because people around her tell her that."

"So it's one thing to denounce this censorship and to warn about it as I've done many times on your show and is you and others have done, but to do something about it, we need to support the platforms that actually are fighting against it and working to create a space on the internet where free discourse can happen."

Carlson agreed. "Well, that is exactly right. And that's why this is the lead of our show tonight, because this is not just a good thing, this is central to our survival as a self-governing country. You have to have this."

He then asked, "There was another platform that tried to supplant YouTube earlier this year and was instantly shut down by Amazon, by the web, by web hosting services by its its servers. They, they didn't allow it. They shut it down. Why wouldn't they do that to Rumble?"

Greenwald replied, "That is one of the most important overlooked stories. What actually happened there was that was Parler. They were the number one most downloaded website in the entire internet, more than Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, all of them... and AOC, and other Democrats demanded after January 6th, that not just Amazon, but Apple and Google, kicked that platform off their play stores and then refuse to allow them to be hosted on the Amazon servers, and they were gone from the internet in 48 hours. Tech monopolies at the behest of Democratic politicians just zapped them away."

He added, "And so obviously sites like Rumble and Substack are asking, 'how can we make sure this doesn't happen to us?' They are absolutely engaged in sophisticated efforts to shield themselves from allowing that to happen."

Tucker responded, "I almost never promote a product because that's not our place, but in this case, I'm just going to ask if our viewers have not heard of Rumble, how do they interact with Rumble? How do they get it?

Greenwald obliged, "I went today along with former Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard (D- HI) who's a long time Democrat, but believes in free speech and other independent journalists. And if you go to Rumble, there's a search bar. You type in R-U-M-B-L-E, and you'll find the platform and you start searching for the people who you want to listen to. You can find me on there, her on there, there are lots of conservatives, lots of leftists. People who believe in free speech are there. And I really encourage people who believe in this cause to support it and Substack as well. They're critical to our ability to continue to have free discourse."

Carlson agreed, "...and... our ability to continue the country, I would argue."


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